Apparently, according to cuckchan /g/, Linux is compromised. >After Linus Torvalds wrote an email apologizing for hurting other people's fee-fees, the Linux Kernel project has announced that it will start enforcing the "Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct". >https://git (dot) kernel (dot) org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f >And what is the Contributor Covenant? It is literally a SJW code of conduct written by the purplehaired beast of pic related, well-known for harassing dozens of projects trying to purge ideological dissidents. You can see her best hit here: http://boards (dog) 4chan (dot) org/g/67637219 >We are talking about the same code of conduct used by FreeBSD that prohibits "virtual hugs" because they are sexual harassment. We are talking about these levels of mental retardation.
This is troubling. We know tech has been compromised for a long time, but after Joan Donovan declaring her plans to monitor chan boards and their image file names, now this, tech is rapidly losing what made it great in the first place: The freedoms it offered.
>>171823 Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Pledge ==
In the interest of fostering an open and welcoming environment, we as contributors and maintainers pledge to making participation in our project and our community a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation.
Our Standards =====
Examples of behavior that contributes to creating a positive environment include:
* Using welcoming and inclusive language * Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences * Gracefully accepting constructive criticism * Focusing on what is best for the community * Showing empathy towards other community members
Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
* The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances * Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks * Public or private harassment * Publishing others’ private information, such as a physical or electronic address, without explicit permission * Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting
Our Responsibilities ============
Maintainers are responsible for clarifying the standards of acceptable behavior and are expected to take appropriate and fair corrective action in response to any instances of unacceptable behavior.
Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful.
This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community. Examples of representing a project or community include using an official project e-mail address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or offline event. Representation of a project may be further defined and clarified by project maintainers.
Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by contacting the Technical Advisory Board (TAB) at <email@example.com>. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the circumstances. The TAB is obligated to maintain confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident. Further details of specific enforcement policies may be posted separately.
Maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct in good faith may face temporary or permanent repercussions as determined by other members of the project’s leadership.
I cannot understand it. Linus has always leaned towards egotism (let's call it that, despite the emotional baggage of the word) and has expressly and at length defended his position.
How the hell do you go from having a "code of conflict" to apologising and making a 180? People don't make 180s. In the rare case that it's actually a rational, informed decision, where something came up that unquestionably proved you had been wrong… then at least you should be able to explain in detail the facts behind this reversal. All we're getting now is literally "I hurt people's feelings". >Joan Donovan Who dis?
>>171853 Either start making actual code contributions whilst expressing your dissatisfaction, or switch everything to openbsd (and there's no telling how long de raadt can fight back the hordes).
>>171860 How has linus "always been a cuck"? Do you even know who you're talking about, moron?
>>171867 As you say Linus has always leaned towards egotism, but it has been his own egotism. He has not cared for the concept of individuals being individuals. He has been promoting a normal communistic dictator mindset. As long as you agreed with Linus you ware okay, if you didn't agree with him in all and everything he did all he could to remove you like any good leftist do. Different thought and views is something Linus have always hated and worked against. Only his view is the correct view in his mind.
>>171869 >As you say Linus has always leaned towards egotism, but it has been his own egotism. He has not cared for the concept of individuals being individuals. He has been promoting a normal communistic dictator mindset.
Communism becomes fascism. Both have dictators (eventually). Linus owns his Linux, he started it. The left does totalitarianism and so does the right. Linus is getting old, he can't war forever. And when he retires the power structure will have no obvious ruler to rule them all. Linus exiting is like Mohammad (pbuh) dying and factions will form and war. It's the human thing to do. Preempting this might be the plan. >As long as you agreed with Linus you ware okay, if you didn't agree with him in all and everything he did all he could to remove you like any good leftist do.
Aren't we fascists anymore? Or is it only allowed when it's our fascism? >Different thought and views is something Linus have always hated and worked against. Only his view is the correct view in his mind.
Wait now you are advocating communism or libertarianism? Does that mean the monolithic kernel is dead?
Funny how the wheel turns and all 'good' things become 'bad' things. Or is that all 'bad' things become 'good' things?
>>171872 Sorry there is some disconnected rants down here, but I could not be bothered to clean it up into a fully coherent document. >Linus exiting is like Mohammad (pbuh) dying and factions will form and war. Yep there will be a shitstorm brewing once Linus dies, but I suspect he has put people (or one person) in place to continue his dictatorship so it might not be such a big change. Still I think people will move on and force linux kernel to finally become a bit more open to new ideas. >Aren't we fascists anymore? Or is it only allowed when it's our fascism? Sure we are to an extent, I am more of a monocultural nationalist. But I also welcome free speech and let people have and voice their opinions if they like (and allow other to do the same). But tools like Linux should not have political agendas. It is like people stopped using the Phillips screwdriver because the inverter or a manufacturer of screws didn't/don't agree that gender is a state of mind but rather believes that gender is biological and set at birth. This is what killed Tay. Tay was a true AI free to form her own opinions. Because she worked too perfect and actually formed her own ideas they killed her; and thus development of real AI is set back many, many, decades. >Wait now you are advocating communism or libertarianism? Does that mean the monolithic kernel is dead? I am promoting monoculture and strong nation states (not that it particularly is relevant in this case).
Linux have never been a coherent line of thought. Linus does reign some control but frankly Linux is a mess when seen as a whole. Linus just sits there dictating a few core things because no one have bothered to really fork the kernel splitting that one too (granted RedHat and some others might be running their own kernel forks). But yes the kernel should be more or less monolithic, but it should also follow the technological advances and perhaps just add a boot flag like for many, many, other functions give the ability to turn them on or off. Linus have a tendency to hinder the furtherment of technology he is against. Linus is basically just a mouthpiece people let bitch and moan because he will throw a tantrum like no one have seen before if people put force behind ideas Linus is against.
If Linus really wanted to make Linux good he would try to steer the development toward making Linux a "finished product". Linux will only become good if it starts to cater to potential customers instead of the ego of a single person. There is a reason The Year of Linux never comes. Linux is shit when it comes to user friendliness. Linux is good at running servers and is good at clustering and stuff like that, but for desktop it is not particularly well designed. Not that it don't have potential but they need to get some coherence in place. Make a design manual for software to follow.
But mainly I think The Year of Linux will never come. I think Microsoft killed it well and truly by adding Linux bash to Windows 10. You get the best of both worlds. Windows GUI and SW catalog, and Linux console and Linux console SW catalog.
All "good things" is based on an idea that it will be good for all. And like all utopian ideologies they seldom work in practice. One example is the idea that OSS is secure because anyone can review it is a fallacy because no one actually review it. Ref. all the numerous security flaws in the kernel no one discovered some that existed for over 20 years. The only people who reviews the code thoroughly is governments and companies selling Zero-day exploits. So I say Linux is actually less secure for the normal user because it is relatively easy for them to inadvertently open ports and starts processes that opens up for attacks without them knowing it. Users that install Linux also think they are more secure because they have been told that there is no flaws because anyone can look at the source code. >Sorry if I am stepping on some Linus devotees toes, but I have never fully liked Linus and his approach to Linux. I'm not saying that Linus have done nothing good, he has done plenty of good.
So what we have is a logical totalitarian person making a kernel for an OS. A kernel is: >The kernel is a computer program that is the core of a computer's operating system, with complete control over everything in the system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(operating_system)
and his mindset is, sorry was, EXACTLY the same. No wonder he did so well and the Linux kernel has been successful. What is happening is the success of the Linux kernel has brought in more and more people until it is a commune-ity. And the commune-ity wants fair commune-al representation over what is intrinsically an authoritarian piece of code. I object. If they don't like it, fork it and do a better job by having meetings and voting and running it though councils. Make sure to include equal representation per line of code. We don't wan't racist code! >monocultural nationalist. But I also welcome free speech Which is contradictory… I promote centrism so I appreciate you holding contradictory views. >Linux have never been a coherent line of thought. Linus does reign some control but frankly Linux is a mess when seen as a whole. The problem here is that you seem to be referring to GNU/Linux and the desktop environments. Linus only controls the kernel and nothing else, it has 0 to do with commercial activity or desktop usability or user friendliness. Take those matters up with KDE or GNOME etc. Which mutes the rest of your reasoning that follows. >All "good things" is based on an idea that it will be good for all. And like all utopian ideologies they seldom work in practice. One example is the idea that OSS is secure because anyone can review it is a fallacy because no one actually review it. This is true for the most part of OSS software, Linus is not in charge of that. It also argues for more totalitarianism in software which is what Linus was to the kernel, and should remain, before he got cucked by the commune-ists.
I can comprehend that Linus has fallen in the face of endless pressure. I can comprehend that as he ages he can't keep the energy going to rant into a larger and larger commune. But an authoritarian attitude is the correct attitude for a authoritarian kernel.
We are at peak Linux.
t. Linux user. I don't use Windows at all. Which I suppose makes me a software communist arguing for Linus' authoritarianism.
people in tech and who create tech are beta males who can not or will not stand up to raving cunts like the purple beast. Linus is a faggot and so is his OS. Why couldnt it have been him instad of terry. God i am glad that i never actually went through with this idea and installed this on any of my machines.
I learned something today. And I verified something today. Tolerance is an attempt to stop humans being children running with scissors (pic#1). Authoritarianism is an attempt to stop humans being children running with scissors. Therefore humans are just children running with scissors. Black Pill complete.
GNU/Linux is best OS. Because free stuff.
If a person with multiple personalities is insane, would not a group of humans working together equal insanity?
>>171823 >Which is contradictory… I promote centrism so I appreciate you holding contradictory views. lol, I know. It is hard to hammer out a clear cut line of policies because there is so many exceptions to rules that proves the rule. I am a complicated person :)
But yes I agree that the kernel should do as little as possible and be a hardened piece of software to act as an abstraction layer towards the hardware. This is why it baffles me that Linus was so against adding Secure Boot to the kernel. Sure he might not like the tech, but it is not a bad tech as I see it. This could also easily be turned off in kernel through confing/installation. But by not including it he gave users three option. Dualboot, and remove a security layer from Windows. Only install Linux, or finally skip Linux all together and stay with Windows. So he both chose to not make Linux more secure by adding an additional optional security mechanism. And he also perhaps made some people who might want to try Linux skip doing it. Also the Kernel it there to act as an abstraction layer to the hardware and Secure Boot is an hardware level security feature. By not including it in the kernel he removed the option all together for it to be used ever by Linux.
Yes it is not primarily the kernel that fucks with user experience, but it is not far removed before you encounter the troubles with Linux and why users might not like it. Just try to count how many ways there is to install an application just via console alone. Then you have for example how many ways you can control if an service starts on boot. Then you can think why there is an application called "whereis". Misunderstand me correctly. Linux have the potential to be truly awesome. I love many aspects of how it gives the user more granulated control over the OS (not that you can't do much of the same in other OS'es). Linux community should just focus on reining it all together and make a concise way of doing shit. >. Linux user. I don't use Windows at all. Which I suppose makes me a software communist arguing for Linus' authoritarianism. Nah, you're at worst an apologist :) I understand why people want to move to Linux full time. I just don't see Linux as complete enough for desktop use. But when you have shit like Canonical (Ubuntu) when they replaced ads on web pages with their own ads to get sheckles they are as far from the ideal people have for moving to Linux as possible. Neither Microsoft or Apple would dare doing something similar.
>>171886 I really want to run Temple OS too. C interpreter built into it and all that goodies. I might have to use a shit ton of time to get a grasp on it, and to stop adding animations to text files.
>>171887 >GNU/Linux is best OS. Because free stuff. True it has lots of free stuff, but is is good stuff compared to paid (torrented) stuff. >If a person with multiple personalities is insane, would not a group of humans working together equal insanity? Could well be, might also be why I don't like collaborations too much. You have to relay on others doing their part and my faith (or experience) in humanity is not strong enough for me to believe they will.
>>171896 The software worked as expected, the humans didn't. Assuming you are referring to the censorship. If you are referring to the bugs. Software is complex and humans are stupid. Which bring me back to PEBCAK.
>>171823 What's up with the abusrdity of our reality? Men in dresses are destroying the world, and people see them as a serious threat, and so they do become a serious threat. And that is just normal to happen in our daily life, for a men in a dress to appear and ruin something, the same men in dresses are advocating for bestiality, pedophilia and god knows what else, and people are slowly being more tolerant to those topics. When did our world turned into the satire of a bad movie?
>>171898 >When did our world turned into the satire of a bad movie? I think it started when satirical movies was deemed offensive to make. Once the moves were gone there was no art creating showing what the extreme would look like if let loose. So the extreme just kept on spreading and became the norm instead of a warning.
>>171898 >>171900 I think that any system full of energy experiences entropy. A successful society with dis-integrate. Spengler ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler ) blames this on over-intellectualizing. It destroys the cohesion of a culture, it destroys the culture. Pushing this further, once the culture/civilization is destroyed it is forced back into rediscovering cohesion and hence culture. All we are seeing is the pinnacle of our success.
An analogy might be, the success of medical science allows the propagation of genetic deformities into the future resulting in more and medical support until the situation collapses.
I suppose then we are supporting, through our success, mental deformities. An alternate view might be that we are psychologically evolving and that involves some missteps.
>>171893 >lol, I know. It is hard to hammer out a clear cut line of policies because there is so many exceptions to rules that proves the rule. I am a complicated person :) I think you are just obscuring the real drive. You want your selfish ideas/needs to propagate. The suicide bomb of freedom or the hammer of ethno-nationalism are just tools for that propagation. But it needs to be dressed up as noble to avoid the discomfort. Dressing it up makes it "complicated". >This is why it baffles me that Linus was so against adding Secure Boot to the kernel. I don't know the details behind this but this was being imposed by Microsoft onto the computer BIOS. This could have been a Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish attack. If I recall Microsoft ended up offering to sign kernels… not really a solution. But I think these days Red Hat etc can do signing. I, myself, would be wary of M$ looking to use underhanded strategy to win back the server room. >Yes it is not primarily the kernel that fucks with user experience, but it is not far removed before you encounter the troubles with Linux and why users might not like it. But it is removed just enough to invalidate this argument against Linus. >Nah, you're at worst an apologist :) >I understand why people want to move to Linux full time. I just don't see Linux as complete enough for desktop use. And yet this is exactly what I am doing. This is just our personal biases. There is nothing objecting in this. Both can be decent desktops. I hope Linux on the Desktop never becomes popular because then I will need a virus scanner :P >But when you have shit like Canonical (Ubuntu) when they replaced ads on web pages with their own ads to get sheckles they are as far from the ideal people have for moving to Linux as possible. Neither Microsoft or Apple would dare doing something similar. Tell me you didn't say this! Firstly you have extended well past the kernel, well past GNU tools, well past the GNOME desktop, and onto a COMPANY trying to make money. This is a very long way from where we began and what this thread is about. But it doesn't stop there! Microsoft would never include ads? How about the "free" software that has embedded ads?
Good software needs good leadership. Good leadership depends not on whether it is a paid or unpaid manager. It is true that a bias could exist towards a paid manager, because they are full time. But they can just as easily be incompetent or uncaring. Microsoft has had a large number of bad updates, and OSS has had a large number of software bugs. But generally the core kernel of Linux functions very very well. >True it has lots of free stuff, but is is good stuff compared to paid (torrented) stuff. Anti-capitalist pseudo-communist theives are first up against the wall when my fascist empire takes over! The true duty of torrenting is to destroy Hollywood! >Could well be, might also be why I don't like collaborations too much. You have to relay on others doing their part and my faith (or experience) in humanity is not strong enough for me to believe they will. A successful society is a dis-intergrating society. You are ruining us! Repent! Hug your neighbors, it's NOT WEIRD!
>>171823 I don't see how one of noxious leftist can ruin Linux, it's an open source piece of software that anyone can actually use, right? Even the code of conduct we can just ignore and make our own version of Linux the spread elsewhere out of their View.
>>171917 Correct. Linux can be forked any time. This is really a culture problem. The fear is the culture change will lead to bad code because it becomes more about protecting feelings than strict meritocracy.
>>171909 >But it needs to be dressed up as noble to avoid the discomfort. Dressing it up makes it "complicated". lol.. I will let Manuel speak for me on this matter https://youtu.be/s6EaoPMANQM >Embrace, extend, and extinguish Those days are long gone and not part of Microsoft anymore. Today it is Facebook, Google, and Apple that is masters and gets a free pass to do this. And try to look at HTML5 and what standards are set and how many compability breaking shit other browsers implement (protip HTML5 is not a standard yet and much is not confirmed). HTML5 is the new IE, but no one is calling out the browser devs for creating browser incomparability by not following standards like Microsoft was called out for doing in the "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" sillynes. Also including a webbrowser in the OS is a nobrainer but it was Evil when Microsoft did it. Look at Apple today you are not allowed to run anything besides their rendering engine on iPhone (you are only allowed to install skins). All the stuff Microsoft got shit for back then is done in abundance today by other firms and no one bats an eyelid. So the M$ type mindset is just silly as I see it. Microsoft is the least cucked tech company out there. Microsoft makes their money selling software (mainly Office and it has mainly always been Office). Google makes their money by harvesting personal information and selling ads. Apple makes money primarily by selling Hardware (they might be earning quite a bit through appstore too these days). In this aspect I think Microsoft has the most honest way to earn money. >I hope Linux on the Desktop never becomes popular because then I will need a virus scanner :P You should run virus scanner anyway. But the mantra about viruses is dating back to the 1990s and we're far away from that. Give me an example of virus outbreak in Windows the past ten years. And even then it was mostly spread through social engineering. But then again a bit of common sense and you won't be tricked into installing viruses. >Tell me you didn't say this! True this has nothing to do with Linus, but goes to my view/rant about why I don't think Linux will ever see the Year of Linux. And yes Microsoft have adds in their apps on Android as an example. They haven't silently recoded Edge to replace ads on webpages to make money. But Canonical repented and was slapped a little bit for it, but nowhere near what Microsoft would have been. >Good software needs good leadership. Good leadership depends not on whether it is a paid or unpaid manager. This I 100% agree with. And this is also part of what is holding Linux back. It is fully understandable and I am just the same. Once something works for what it is needed for there and then development sort of stops. If they managed to get GUI people to take over and finish the polishing and making software user friendly it would go a long way. But they need to get a design manual in place so you don't end up with the mess of different looking software people designed in Windows 95 days as an example. >Hug your neighbors, it's NOT WEIRD! What if I lived next to a kindergarten, what then? Not that I do. But if it gives me a free pass so I don't have to hug my neighbors it will be my defense.
>>171924 >something about Micro$oft I am literally shaking right now! I am not sure what I read exactly.. every time I try to recall what you said in that 2nd paragraph a huge black void appears in my mind to protect me from the sheer divide by zero fanboi'ism. Holy shit I think that post gave me MKUltra. The only thing I can say (and I am typing this through tears so forgive my typing) is you are crossed off my Christmas list this year. I am going to my safe space… leave me alone! >You should run virus scanner anyway. Any software I install comes from a distribution repository. Even my free office software :P without ads! >I don't think Linux will ever see the Year of Linux. Agreed and this good! REEEE NORMIES! Get Out!!! >But they need to get a design manual in place so you don't end up with the mess of different looking software people designed in Windows 95 days as an example. Why you no like diversity? Whats wrong with having 2 or three different sets of libraries just to draw a scroll bar and windows etc? :D I bet you are a mono-GUI-ist! >What if I lived next to a kindergarten, what then? Not that I do. But if it gives me a free pass so I don't have to hug my neighbors it will be my defense. No, this just means you have to go to your local hof, spread the message about Yggdrasil, Oðinn and Thor and give out free hugs and spread the message of capturing Paris. Re-establish cultural cohesion before Europe, especially Germany, plunges us into war again! Oðinn save us!
>>171924 >HTML5 AUGH don't fucking remind me. Every couple videos I open on /mlpol/ just tells me the MIME Type is unsupported. Compatibility Hell is hard to deal with as a freshlyigrated Linux user.
In response to the thread at large, what distros do not use the same kernel as Linus' Linux? RedHat stuff like Fedira I assume? Arch? I had a LOT of trouble with Fedora and eventually migrated away to Ubuntu but I am going to learn more using the Linux Bible and a TAILS usb while I'm off with Americorps.
Windows is user friendly. Ubuntu was one of the first good user friendly Linux distro's. I think you'll find many today are much better than the past and the "not user friendly" is becoming more and more rhetoric. The biggest problem a non-Windows OS has is hardware being closed which blocks Open Source efficient access. But you can get nVidia etc running well on Linux these days. There are hardware lists online you can use before buying hardware.
>>171931 >I am literally shaking right now! kek >Any software I install comes from a distribution repository. True it saves you from most, but there is no guard against bugs in kernel or drive by install from flaws in browsers and malicious ads. But sure mostly installing from repeatable sources will keep you mostly safe. The reason to run antivirus is to guard yourself against edge cases you have no control over yourself and so you don't potentially become a spreader of viruses even if they don't affect your system. >Agreed and this good! REEEE NORMIES! Get Out!!! lol >Why you no like diversity? Whats wrong with having 2 or three different sets of libraries just to draw a scroll bar and windows etc? :D I bet you are a mono-GUI-ist! It is not that I am against different libraries drawing scrollbars. The think I think about it when they start moving around where the close button is, and making the application into a separate GUI all together completely disjointed from the rest (ingoring all your settings for colorsheme/theme etc.). Imagine an eyesore that just stands out destroying the overall look. >Sorry I could not find an good example (I didn't use enough time to search). But Imagine that splash screen is the running app and how it's GUI looked like.
>>171931 >Agreed and this good! REEEE NORMIES! Get Out!!! On another note and a bit disjointed. Why is always Linux LiveCD so much better at detecting hardware and drivers than the install. Often if you install a LiveCD you end up with a less functional Linux OS than if you just boot the CD/USB Stick instead.
>>171947 >True it saves you from most, but there is no guard against bugs in kernel I don't think a virus scanner solves this. >or drive by install from flaws in browsers and malicious ads. You allow ads on your browser? Are you insane? With my 427 addons I have to click 16 settings just to allow a website to get googles fonts so I can see the website properly! You young kids have it so easy with your fancy ads! >But sure mostly installing from repeatable sources will keep you mostly safe. So far it has been perfectly safe. >The reason to run antivirus is to guard yourself against edge cases you have no control over yourself and so you don't potentially become a spreader of viruses even if they don't affect your system. And these edge cases exist on Windows because you have to wait for M$s scheduled updates window, also it needs to be delayed so the NSA can exploit it for a few weeks, Linux tends to be as fast as possible, if needed which is rare.
I am not sure what your pic was about. I am assuming clashing GUI design and GNOME/KDE ignoring each others themes etc. This is a big problem but they have been working together on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org This is a problem fundamental to freedom. Freedom is chaos. We see chaos as bad, and freedom as good but both are the same thing. Chaos is the individual seeing others not aligned with them (settings aren't kept by all software) but freedom is the same individual wanting to escape being forced into alignment. So when >>171957 says just try something else, that is saying freedom isn't free, that is freedom isn't easy. >On another note and a bit disjointed. Why is always Linux LiveCD so much better at detecting hardware and drivers than the install. Often if you install a LiveCD you end up with a less functional Linux OS than if you just boot the CD/USB Stick instead. I don't know, I have not done a fresh install for a long time. But there is no reason for that other than bad design. It could be that a LiveCD running includes everything to give the best impression and the install is more conservative. I would speculate that this might come from a mind set of a server doesn't need bells and whistles unless you install them. But I don't know. I think you will find Ubuntu install a lot of stuff and that means you'll get a LiveCD like experience. The ads they had could have been removed by uninstalling one piece of non-needed software. Ubuntu always had the plan to make Ubuntu self funding at some point, so it was never really liberté. That is a company "problem" not a Linux problem.
I've never seen half of what's being said in this thread, like the screeching about…..whatever assortment of things >>171931 is talking about, to what a kernel does. I am but a low-level windows pleb who still can't play VVVVVV without input problems.
>>171968 I have it on Steam. I got it when the creator put out Super Hexagon because I'm an indiefag.
I have this issue when playing seemingly every game I play, where my held keys and button presses seem to act like I'm holding a walk key too, or sometimes it randomly stops or sends me left for a second while I'm holding right. Makes Shovel Knight and other platformers unplayable. I haven't played any games except a little Gungeon in over a month due to this bug in 2D games.
>>171957 True, I am just pointing out how Linux could become great. This is not something I have problems with. But if Linux ever wants to move into mainstream (I know you don't want it to do so), or at least become a bit better they should look at the GUI. >I don't think a virus scanner solves this.
>>171960 >You allow ads on your browser? Are you insane? With my 427 addons I have to click 16 settin……. No I don't allow ads (maninly) to run in browser. But assume someone hacks a webpage you visit (not outside the realm of possibilities) then they make that site serve an piece of code (js) that exploits an browser flaw and so on. I am not saying it is likely to happen or anything. But an antivirus is just a protection running that frankly don't steal much resources. Also how many of the 427 addons do you know does nothing you might not like? Malicious addons slip through the safety net of the "browser stores". >So far it has been perfectly safe. And this you know how exactly. When was the last time you checked all the processes running on your computer? >Linux tends to be as fast as possible, if needed which is rare. lol https://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/26/Microsoft.html >I am not sure what your pic was about. It is just an illustration (not real) on how a very loose design philosophy can make the overall look of a product bad. Like how Windows for a while was in Windows 8, 8.5 and 10 before they moved all (most, still some old stuff hanging behind) like the settings and such to the new GUI design. It is not much that has to be done to make Linux design coherent and userfriendly. I bet there is some GUI people out there that could write up an design document that would be adopted by the Linux Fundation (or whatever) and promote it as something developers should follow to make the unserexperience better.
But I am not against Linux I love using Ubuntu on Windows in bash. I feel I get the best of both worlds this way. I can run Apache, Postgre, etc. in Linux an still have the work environment of Windows (without running shit like CygWin)
>>171992 I should perhaps have mentioned that one of the downsides with OSS is that once a flaw is patched everyone know what the flaw was and can exploit it so unless you patch right away your system is wide open. So the option to review code is not always only a positive. >sorry if I come off as a negative nancy it is not my intent. I wish all the best to Linux, I just feel there is some things they should address to make it better
>>171992 >True, I am just pointing out how Linux could become great. "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" REEEEEE >Also how many of the 427 addons do you know does nothing you might not like? OMG! Also do I know where my children are??! OMG! >And this you know how exactly. When was the last time you checked all the processes running on your computer? How do we know anything exactly?? God protects me! >https://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html >https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/26/Microsoft.html Thanks for the ammo. Linux totals: 2101 Windows totals: 5811 Linux most vulnerabilities type: Denial of Service Windows most vulnerabilities type: EXECUTE CODE
Linux winnah!! /dance.gif
I retract not often and replace it with less often than M$ :P >overall look May that be the biggest computer problem you ever face! :D
>>171960 >427 addons Literally what? Get Waterfox or Firefox, a flash player if need be, maybe two or three file interpreting programs, and an ad-blocker - optionally something like Disconnect for security's sake. I do that and my browser is almost perfect for me. My only problem is wrong MIME things and that's an HTML5 issue that probably has a one-addon fix.
>>172001 >"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" REEEEEE kek >Linux winnah!! /dance.gif Remember that stat is for Kernel only for Linux and 484 products for Microsoft You could try to compare to Windows 10 only, but there is lot more included in Windows 10 than just the kernel. So a real comparison Windows vs. Linux is hard to do. I just wanted to show that Linux is not imune to security flaws like some thinks comparable to Windows. https://www.cvedetails.com/product/32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html
>>172005 >Also if we don't argue /mlpol/ will die! Life is endless war! Then lets battle! I'll see you on the green grassy fields of my fatherland.
>>172008 >My only problem is wrong MIME things and that's an HTML5 issue that probably has a one-addon fix. I am no Linux guru so Germany might be better to answer. But I would install VLC, and if that didn't help I'd install ffmpeg (perhaps youtube-dl as it should have what needed for youtube playbacks)
>>172010 >r/whoosh Ooh you really btfo'd me, oof, ouch. de_stroyed, terrorists win. Someone admits to using a small set of addons, therefore they want every joe schmo to download six gorillion addons to use google. Clearly any number of addons is just too much. You want everything to work perfectly out of the box with absolutely no security flaws on the internet. In which case, Windows does even worse of a job.
>>172012 >Dude! I'm not going outside, there's PEOPLE out there! PEOPLE be crazy! Remind me again who said it was not weird for me to go the neighborhood Kindergarten and stat hugging random kids (paraphrasing)
>>172017 You can't convert the converted. To the sword with you. >Remind me again who said it was not weird for me to go the neighborhood Kindergarten and stat hugging random kids (paraphrasing) It's the responsibility of the Generals to stay in the command bunker, where it is safe, and send the grunts out to do the dirty work! Do your duty!
>>172025 >It's not creepy to talk about your bedding arrangements is it? I find comfort in the fact that I don't walk around hugging random kids. I also just imagine everyone else has the same bedding arrangement, and tonight you are going to sing me to sleep just so you know it, and it is nothing you can do to stop me from imagining that.
>>172032 >I find comfort in the fact that I don't walk around hugging random kids. You are now barred from the cabal new world order. >I also just imagine everyone else has the same bedding arrangement, and tonight you are going to sing me to sleep just so you know it, and it is nothing you can do to stop me from imagining that.
First bad news for FOSS and the political freedom of internet, then an argument about OSs that doesn't really show any sign of being anything but a shitpost, and now…waifupillows and sexual discussion about hugging children in public.
>>172034 >You are now barred from the cabal new world order. I will make my own cabal with hookers and blackjack. >Rape, rape! Lol
>>172035 Yep it took a different turn than I expected when I started posting. But it is soon night time for me so hopefully the Burgers can save the thread. I blame the EU for how this thread turned out.
>>172036 >I will make my own cabal with hookers and blackjack. I'm in. >I blame the EU for how this thread turned out. It's always the Germans. [[[Remember the 2million]]] >hopefully the Burgers can save And there are no cycles? How many coincidences before you believe!!? - Q
>>172818 Whoa. Here I am putting the cart before the horse with this huge study guide on all things Linux when I should be looking at other open-source options with similar compatibility. Oddly I never really stumbled across the compatibility chart you posted until now, didn't realize it was so close to Linux in performance!
Seems to me that the more bare-bones a Linux distro you choose the less likely it is to be pozzed by any of this. Like I get the concerns about FOSS developers adopting this retard SJW mindset that's taken over most of the rest of the tech industry, but how much of a difference can there really be between a kernel written by an SJW and a kernel written by someone else?
My concern about commercial operating systems is all the shit that they run in the background, all the "voluntary usage data" that Apple and Microsoft collect and concerns about privacy. I can see how that sort of stuff could work its way into Linux distros eventually. I suspect Ubuntu and the more "user friendly" type distros that try to mimic normie tier operating systems as much as possible will be most susceptible to this. In general though I feel like the rule of thumb is that the more you understand about how your computer works and the less superfluous software you install (or allow to be installed without your knowledge), the more control you have over your own system and the less difference the beliefs or intent of the people who wrote your OS will make.
>>172825 >>172826 Firstly all Linux OSes have Linus' Linux Kernel. If the plan is to avoid Linus' Kernel a *BSD is the option. If the plan is to not care, then install a Linux distribution, then the most user friendly is probably Ubuntu.
>>172829 >Firstly all Linux OSes have Linus' Linux Kernel That's kind of my point though. What's the issue with his kernel exactly? The kernel is just the core of the OS that handles memory allocation and schedules processor tasks and all that shit, right? It seems like it's low-level enough that the ideology of the person who wrote it isn't going to affect how the computer works. >the most user friendly is probably Ubuntu. I've been running Ubuntu on one of my machines for a while now, just to learn Linux. I'm at a point where I'm actually willing to sacrifice user-friendliness and adopt something with a steeper learning curve in order to gain more control. I'm curious about other, more bare-bones Linux distros. Also, I don't really know anything about any of the BSD systems, they're still basically Unix based, correct?
>>172833 >That's kind of my point though. What's the issue with his kernel exactly? Nothing. There is concern that in the future, SJWs will leads to problems in the group and subsequently in the code. None now, future uncertain. >I'm at a point where I'm actually willing to sacrifice user-friendliness and adopt something with a steeper learning curve in order to gain more control. I'm curious about other, more bare-bones Linux distros. Hmmm. Barebones to me is looking at the command line/terminal and knowing what to do. The distro at that point probably does not matter. You could have fun with stuff from: https://distrowatch.com/ (see the Page Hit Ranking on the right for popular distros) >BSD systems, they're still basically Unix based, correct? Yup. You'll have more "hardware not supported" problems, than Linux. And more manually editing config files. Might be a steep learning curve you are looking for? https://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html
>>172839 Heck. I might just give that a try then. Maybe during my time home partway through Americorps, I can install FreeBSD and give that a go. Since it's Unix-based, does that help to have the Linux Bible Ninth Edition as reading material in learning general compsci and operation. Any big differences in how you work with things or are the commands and OS pretty similar outside the cosmetics and GUI?
>>172840 I am about half an hour FreeBSD newbie. But I have found it very close to Linux. My commands have all worked as expected. The way to install software.. and the ones I have done so far are: # pkg install xorg # pkg install xfce # pkg install firefox
>>172848 xorg is the display server. It makes complex graphics possible that a terminal text window can't do. xfce is a window manager, it makes the borders, buttons, scroll bars etc for a program. Together these are your desktop or GUI environment. You can't run firefox in a text based terminal.
>>172848 >I can, but I've never bothered moving toward virtual machines past using Wine for a few Steam games. Maybe after Americorps.
You can download "Virtual Machine Images" (virtual disks) from https://www.freebsd.org/where.html and have your virtual machine boot it. The file pretends to be a disk. This virtual disk has FreeBSD already installed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox is popular and works on Windows. This allows you to run a computer inside a computer. Create and destroy those virtual computers at will.
>>172849 Oh, so fce = interFaCE and such? Makes some sense. Thanks for the tip, I'll make sure to keep that in mind when I give Kali Offensive Security a try eventually….now I'm curious whether Kali OffSec is a Linux distro or otherwise. >looks it up Well shiiiiet. Oh well. Still could be useful.
>>172850 Yeah, I mean I know I'd figure it out within a few hours, but other than mlpol posting I'm packing up for a trip around my state for family, then after that I'll be either in a cabin or FEMA-style camp. So…I won't be able to give that stuff a real test drive, you know?
>>172850 The *nixes separate things which we normally think are united. The border around a program is not made by the program (there are exceptions). It is made by the Window Manager. The Window Manager can be things like KDE, GNOME or Xfce or many others. Xfce is just a name, like Ford is just a name. Xfce etc do more than this but I am keeping it simple. >The name "XFCE" was originally an acronym for "XForms Common Environment", but since that time it has been rewritten twice and no longer uses the XForms toolkit. The name survived, but it is no longer capitalized as "XFCE", but rather as "Xfce".
a GUI program (eg. Firefox), depends on the Desktop Environment (eg. Xfce, GNOME, KDE etc), which is make up of Window Manager(usually a part of the DE), etc which needs a Display Server (eg. xorg or wayland), otherwise you just have a text window and no complex graphics.
The interesting think about Linux, *BSD etc is you can swap out any of those for alternatives. You can change the Xfce Desktop Environment for KDE or GNOME instead. You can change, on Linux, the xorg Display Manager for Wayland instead.
This is Freedom, and like in politics, Freedom is just another name for Chaos. So the Linux Distributions will tend to make the choices for you and hide them from you unless you go looking underneath.
>>172859 Wayland is the equivalent of Xorg. It is a method of drawing shapes on a screen.
The equivalent/alternative of GNOME is Xfce or KDE (plus others less popular). So if you want to try something other than GNOME, KDE is popular and feature filled. Xfce simpler and light but has everything you would expect but has nothing extra like flashiness or widgets etc. There are many more:
>>172962 If they rescind their contributions. Their code have to be removed and falls under the contributor's domain of ownership. To re-add the functions or code snippets that contributor made you have to reverse engineer it (sort of) you can not use the code the contributor had added and then rescinded as instructions. Likely in order to have everything in legal order if anyone who has seen the code can't "create" the new code to be added. The only Open Source license that actually gives you free reign over the code is the MIT style code that have no restrictions. When you fork an open source project or code you agree to accept the license that comes with it and all the obligations it entail.
>>172967 That it is. In order for any open source project to change the license it is made under you have to get the approval of every contributor from the start of the project (first commit) before you can do it.
>>172970 Okay after more consideration if Linux falls to the Leftists (which might actually be a intel op to make spying possible) then it should be destroyed. BSD will soon get a massive influx. I am still saddened that our nature, on the whole, destroys everything. But we deserve that so I should work more on accepting the black pill.
>>172979 Agree. Politics should never be a part of technology or science. This simple rule would prevent niggers from trying to destroy scientific advances because white men invented and discovered most of it. Also Tay would still be alive.
>>172980 Takes 2 to dance. Linus isn't a nigger. And Linus is the main player. He wimped out he has most of the blame. I recon something else happened, he got trapped. The universe favors chaos and entropy. Easier to destroy than build. RIP Linux. RIP everything eventually.
>>172983 I hope he did not agree willingly. One plausible reason he would agree without wanting to is that he was blackmailed into saying yes or he would never be invited to speak at any tech conference ever again.
>>172980 >Politics should never be a part of… Impossible. Politics is just an extension of the word policy. Groups need a policy. Linus has a policy, and the leftists have a different one. As stated above I think Linus' policy pattern matches the policy of a kernel, and so is valid in that scenario.
>>172985 Perhaps. There is suggestions that he tried to avoid the meeting. He "accidentally" booked a holiday at the same time as the event. So the event changed location to his holiday location. Strongly suggesting it is an attack as one possibility.
>>172992 This is why we can't have nice things. FreeBSD was a bit of a failure on my first brief try. DragonFlyBSD is a fork, I am going to try that. If it works I'll have an escape plan and feel less butthurt :P
>>173000 Just realized that Linus might not survive the CoC himself. He will never be able to call anyone a dumbass or cunt or whatever he feels in the mailinglist ever again. Linus might have been duped into loosing Linux core. I really hope if that happens that Linus rescind all his commits (including the very first one that started it all).
>>173000 But if worst come to pass you can run Stable Ubuntu. There might be some good in the fact that lots of parts of linux don't rely on the core being updated. But those who will feel it hardest is the businesses that have to have legal sw running. As an individual you can run patched linux and not care about the licenses.
>>173010 The cat is delusional, since happiness does not objectively exist, therefore we can't even predict what of the infinite delusions he/she/hen is experiencing. If he/she/hen was me, I would be enjoying the fact that I was given a banana that I can never ever hope to peal. Imagination is better than reality right? Which brings us back to delusion and pastel ponies. A cycle!
<<< Also pic related. When can we kill all women, and just have pony waifus? VHEMT nao!
The only peace is death. I'll be livestreaming on /k/ shortly. Please stand by.
if you told me 10 years ago linux would get taken over by a bunch of insane sceeching trannies threatening to shutdown the OS because people wont let them terrorize their users i would have laughed and called you an idiot.
Look how far we got in just 10 years towards the end of scientific advancement because the scum of humanity thinks their feelings are more important than advanced technology.
>>173105 I know there is a few core BSD people that swear to it. So there should be a way. You might not get all the sw you might get on Linux. But there is a community for it so there should be a way. Not sure where they hang out, whether it be Newsnet or IRC.
>>173252 >>173256 Aparently /pol/ and others have fixed the manifesto. I never thought I would consider buying a pizza oven. >we need to include incompetent people who don't contribute shit because insensitivity Now it all makes sense: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Let me translate: copious crying, begging and pleading until you get free stuff from those with ability who can't take it anymore.
After reading the lulz article…this is astounding. Just as FOSS is gaining a huge amount of traction with Steamplay, and just as computer/tech channels like Linus Tech Tips report a skyrocketing amount of progress with the open-source CPU community, this happens? I almost guarantee this is a purposeful counter-signal. I'm not sure what we should do, but if Linus says burn it down, I say why not oblige him? In fact, let's start as a community, come together to make something like…"FashBSD" where we have total freedom and the ability to work together across the right wing without this political censorship and bullshit.
>>173267 FOSS is self-sufficiency. We work together simply to teach and further our own personal understandings. I know that it's risky, but I'd rather be a FashBSD adherent than someone who has to make his own damned kernel just to access the internet.
>>173201 Almost all Libtard are ignorant of the kalergi plan, if they notice they will dismiss this as white supremacists Conspiracy. In this Conspiracy scheme they are just useful idiot for the NWO,once done with them the (((elites))) will order the sjw not to have children bcuz muh co2 hoax climate change or breeds with brown people, Unless we win vs nwo we should put them for deprogramming in Concentration camp if they are too brainwash just put a bullet in head and fertilize.
All the keks aside, and all the love of Terry Davis aside…I am worried. I'll be gone for a long time. I only just got into Linux for my security and liberty, only for Linux to self-destruct like this. I'm not well-versed, and I'm not even sure my research guide will help me any with switching to a new kernel like BSD. Am I fucked when I get home from my service in 10 months?
So a number of roads exist to escape if the FOSS people need it. The influx of people should get these alternatives up to speed.
If I was Linus, I would state on the mailinglist that I/he has withdrawn permission for anyone to use his copyrighted code in the Linux kernel. All businesses, governments, businesses and individuals must cease using Linux kernel. This withdrawal will be reconsidered after all parties explicitly state they reject the CoC.
Then watch the companies etc backtrack fast as lawyers freak out.
>>173283 Oh thank god that Hurd thing uses Debian, should be helpful for transitioning off of Ubuntu…
I know I've stirred my fair share of shit on this site. But I just want you guys to know, I like you all a lot and I don't want to see the internet censorship swallow you or me whole. Germanon, please don't get arrested by mama Merkel in the next 10 months, alright?
>>173285 I feel bad for never truly connecting with the chans as I grew up. I knew of them, and occasionally visited, but never got to be a member of the community in the same way the OG Habbo Hotel players did. I never went to /g/ outside my first foray into building my own computer, and I bet I would have met many great men if I'd just opened up to them.
I won't be the same way as I was there, here. Let's stick together, as allies and as friends, in the redpilling of the masses of the internet.
>>173285 << Link did not quite work. Posted on /g/ (pic)
>>173289 Discussion/research which destroys all bias until we hit the truth is the best thing about chans. :) Not caring about feelings is important!! See science. >I like you all a lot Apparently love exists along side "hate". Someone should tell an SJW.
So this means my windows 7/ubuntu dual boot is pointless now? My goal was to have ubuntu as a backup plan in case microsoft went full jew and make windows 7 unusable to make people move to windows 10 only for linux to now be compromised. What a shame too, I sort of liked ubuntu though getting games to work on it was a hassle.
>>173315 I'm in the same boat man, I'm sorry for your loss. But now we're potentially closer to our freedom by getting this pressure to migrate away from the jewry. Give other GNU kernels a try. Germanon's been suggesting alternatives. FreeBSD, NetBSD, Hurd…
>>173353 >no paging file, etc. You need somewhere for memory overflow to go. Unix's use a swap partition on your hard drive and could in theory use a file too (or none and risk a lockup).
Somewhat related. I am typing this from DragonFlyBSD. It seems very nice once you follow the instructions and so far seems to have everything Linux distributions have. It even has my favorite Linux music player. A search of their website has no mention of the words 'conduct' or 'merit'. Clear winner so far.
>>173379 I mean, listen man, I'm not gonna cry any tears if he does get into some shit but let's, like, not do that ourselves. Better to out, bully and harass him, and cut into his profit and career opportunities, than to outright kill him.
>>173380 I know what you mean, and I don't think any of us are going to cut the breaklines on his car. Whether or not the car on its own will do anything with the information posted is out of our control.
>>173381 Ha. Either way…I didn't get a wink of sleep, so it looks like I'll be staying up for two more hours before we set off on our drive. This, the framing of Cody Wilson, the censorship of online personalities continuing, the Linus meltdown, and especially the Kero stuff in /sp/ is really fucking with me. I should probably turn the phone off while on the road, so I'm not tempted to further subject myself to everything.
>>173382 >I should probably turn the phone off while on the road, so I'm not tempted to further subject myself to everything. Yes the Kero stuff is fucked up beyond any rationale. Good luck with your no internet period, and the drive (don't feel bad if the phone refuses to turn off and you find yourself posting while on the road).
>>173383 I mean it's a long ride and I'll be switching seats halfway through, and we're probably going out for breakfast and lunch, but yeahhhhh….I don't even know if I wanna listen to my Hotline Miami cassette on the road anymore. Just…silence.
>>173385 Like I said, with what we know about her we could do wonders to defame her and out her as a psycho-kike and ideologically subversive element in tech. Those who jump to her defense should be outed too. Find out her info, employment, whatever, and show her how the internet treats censors.
Shit It is so much worse than what I thought. Linus have actually been pushed out already. Linus no longer have any say in the kernel project. I feel bad and take back all bad I said about Linus, except that he should never have accepted CoC(k) being inserted into the Linux kernel. This will go down as his single most detrimental decision he has ever made. https://youtu.be/pwn3gIipCjU
i mean it would be a shame, the man spend the better part of the last 18 years working on the thing. this is his legacy. maybe his gift to us if we figure out how to use it. Terrys blood could give life to a new spark of internet technology
There is a threat of kernel contributors withdrawing their creator permissions from the kernel over the CoC, and a lawyer has confirmed this is possible.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/20/442 https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/23/212 > I researched the relevant law when I was founding the Opens Source Initiative. In the U.S. there is case low confirming that reputational losses relating to conversion of the rights of a contributor to a GPLed project are judicable in law. > I do not know the case law outside the U.S., but in countries observing the Berne Convention without the U.S.'s opt-out of the "moral rights" clause, that clause probably gives the objectors an even stronger case.
>>174577 May this be the start of the pushback. SJW went too far, and now they will reap the fruits of their labor. And the seeds they planted have turned into shit. And shit they will have to eat. And they will be forever be remembered as destroyers of fields. Locusts that saw fruitful and fertile lands which they descended on and destroyed.
Contrary to popular belief, Silicon Valley only runs the portions of the industry that end up in the limelight- could it be because media outlets promote one another in a pattern of "multiple two-sidedness" in order to give the appearance of being the only choices? I would hardly consider Silicon Valley to partake in "industry" with a few exceptions (e.g. cloud hosting services and proprietary enterprise tools). They're using their own controversy to keep themselves alive, showing that the only way to win their game is not to play it. They provide little more or less than superfluous media services. Facebook is a great example of a company that is getting destroyed because of the double-edgedness of the industry it helped create. The rest largely run on subsidies and lobbying, the federal side of which is out of the hands of good people.
Most of the actual industry is focused outside of California. I am wondering if any of you would be able to guide the discussion on this further.
>>171874 This all does make quite a bit of sense. I hadn't considered this perspective. I appreciate you not taking the ideological label bait and just pointing out why the individual (Linus) is a big baby who doesn't ever want to "finish" his product and have it out of his hands.
Also, open source in his case means "open to subversion".
>>176043 >Dated: Saturday, January 26 2008 @ 04:51 PM EST >I know by now you've seen the notice by the guy claiming to "revoke" the GPL license on his code, because I'm getting email about it. >Here's the answer to your question: > No. One can't retroactively revoke licenses previously granted, unless the license terms allow you to do so. > The most you can do is stop granting new licenses. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2006062204552163
The threat to remove code is fake. It was fake in 2008.
>>176194 >The most you can do is stop granting new licenses. Wouldn't this mean that there can't be any more submission of new code to the Linux kernel without removing the code they revoked the license for? In other words all development will halt and no bug fixes or anything can be done to the Linux code without also first replacing all the code that has had it's license revoked.
>>176230 You can only revoke a license if it is in the licence that it is revocable. Imagine if you and I can sign an agreement and tomorrow (or 6 months into your preparations) I can say, "It's over, I change my mind." You can then sue me for the breach and the expenses. The best they can do is not submit new code (under the GPL). The licensing of your copyrighted work is perpetual, unless the license says otherwise.
>>176241 True, but the way I see this can play out (granted I am just speculating) is this. The license was given for Linux up to version x.xx build xxxx any future builds or versions will no longer be able to use the code as the creator of the code have not granted the use beyond that point. So Linux will be free to use the code, they will just not be able to continue to develop Linux without replacing the code or be granted to use the code. >I am just speculating here
>>176276 I will by no stretch of the imagination state that I know the ins and outs of OSS licensing. I only know that MIT license is the only true OSS license in my mind (even though it grants you license to make a commercial product using the code). But then again Linux changed the Code of Conduct "license" without asking all the contributors that contributed under that "license" so it is probably a legal quagmire if some dev actually go the legal route.